3 1/2 inch 12ga are not 10ga's as much as people want them to be. Of course the longer models are not the greatest for carrying through the woods but I do believe there is something to them patterning better. From my experience I tend to believe that. In turkey hunting you always hear stories about the "long tom turkey guns" those are the older model guns with the long barrels. I believe there is something to the longer barrel theory. The 3" has a 28" barrel and the 3 1/2 has a 23" barrel. My experience with my shotguns for turkey was that a 3" Rem 11-87 out patterned a 3 1/2" 11-87. I know most people on here probably have the 3" models and that's even tougher to some degree. The difference between 40yds and 50yds is amazing. Better to have that ability to send it back if needed then to save a dollar in my book.Īnother point we're asking alot out of a 12ga to pattern good to that magical 50 yd mark. As luck would have it first choke was the best but that's another story. He asked what gun I was using and what shot I wanted to use then said this is what I would suggest. I called and talked with Charlie Boswell I believe the guy that runs it. They have charts there that give starting points. Now that's better than dishing out anywhere from $40 on up on a choke and having it not do anything then your stuck with it. Say it was too tight then you say I want something. Kick's has a policy where if you order a choke from them and it doesn't shoot what you want you send it back (your expense) they ship you another one. Then try something different to compare then something else.Ĭhokes are expensive especially the better extended ones. So the only way to get that deadly load is to get out and try it on paper. Then you go adding choke combinations and different ammo into the mix can get very confusing. Every shotgun will shoot different just the way they are made. As everyone has suggested there just aren't any shortcuts. Just some food for thought here from my experience pattering my shotguns trying to get the most efficient load for turkeys. I wish I could see GC's original pictures but all I see are the red x's and can't see them so I'm totally missing out on them. First of all I must say thanks to everyone's hard work in patterning and then making the pictures available for everyone to see. I just note found this thread and found it most interesting. ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinning-smiley-003.gif That within reason of course, it is absolutely possible to over choke a load. 12 gauges the more open chokes just couldn't strut their stuff out at the same distances as the more heavily constricted chokes. Anyway, we want to make sure we're all on the same page and communicating. 12 gauge as being the most finicky to pattern, that's a lot of shot and a small bore (unless overbored barrel) and could lead to all sorts of problems. 10 gauge before, and shot other ones, just didn't care for it. 10 gauge where you're cramming more shot through the bore. In my experience, the more open chokes don't hold up at longer ranges. Been doing it for years from a variety of shotguns, chokes, and various loads. This isn't the first pattern testing I've done. I'm glad they work for you, I just can't make them pattern really well. I have never had great results from the more open chokes. That's considerably tighter than I would have thought. ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smiliesmack.gif That just might be the ticket, the entire front is unported, it's long, and the constriction might just be the perfect "sweet spot." All I have to do is drop the $100 for the choke and buy more shells. If I don't hear from them I think I'll try an extended 2" Rhino. I have contacted Kick's about new choke constriction recommendations for the BB and T-size shot and we'll see what they have to say. Federal has a load of heavy BB's at 1,450 fps, but only 1 3/8 ounce of shot - fewer pellets. I really do not want to drop to less than a BB pellet size, plus I'd like to maintain at least 1 1/2 ounces of shot at 1,300 fps. For those that are dropping down in size, Winchester and especially Federal both have high density loadings of 1 3/8 ounce of single B pellets at a scorching velocity of 1,450 fps. I'm thinking that with the right choke combination they might just be the ticket. I am really liking the looks of the Remington HD-BB loads. It's good to see the contributions to the thread and guys getting out there and patterning the guns, chokes, and loads before hitting the woods.
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